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look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so, the real question is, whether he's able to go back to that tea party link and say what armstrong just said, work with the president, some degree on compromise on taxes and raising revenues. i think it's an open question whether he can do that and whether he can succeed in doing that. >> gentlemen, thanks so much. i appreciate your time today. >>> stick around. up next, i got actor and activist ally sheedy waiting in the wings. she'll be with me in a second. >>> welcome back. tens of thousands are still in the dark after hurricane sandy. power crews in new york and new j
look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so,...
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. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we are not going to embarrass him with a cake because we did know how many candles were needed. >> right. [laughter] >> we do want to wish him a happy birthday. thank you. >> after the meeting, leaders encouraged that they will agreement. democrats and republicans called productive. >> we are hearing from the of the little girl whose production prompted amber alert overnight. the jobless around this morning her parents fled their homes in southern virginia. -- the child was found this after her parents fled virginia. in southern >> early this morning, a ups spotted the vehicle used in the abduction. driver called 911 and .ollowed the car inside the car was the little girl's father. the girl was down a short time later in maryland. >> i am ok. >> there she is, safe and sound family in prince george's county. had no idea police say s -- the child had no idea police say her parents took members inher family staying where she was night. the parents left last after the court told them o th
. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we are not going to embarrass him with a cake because we did know how many candles were needed. >> right. [laughter] >> we do want to wish him a happy birthday. thank you. >> after the meeting, leaders encouraged that they will agreement. democrats and republicans called productive. >> we are hearing from the of the little girl whose production prompted amber alert overnight. the jobless around this morning her parents...
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you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do the budget cuts, we have already done a trillion. you can get to the $4 trillion that most economists say would at least lead us to the path to reduce debt over ten years. >> because it is so much money and because it would be so relatively painless for people who have income above $250,000 to see that change go back, because bill crystal is saying this now, because the president is clear that's what he's running on, it feels that's clear that's within the realm of the possible. but what else didn't previously peel like it was in the realm of possible? >> i think immigration reform. i called
you have speaker boehner saying, let's get compromise. this is the time to bring that debt down. we seriously have to do it. i don't think anyone disputes that, but it has to be a mix of spending cuts and the revenue. and the one figure that i'd like to add here is how much revenue we get by just going back to the clinton levels at $250,000 and above. that's $700 billion in tenures. that's what draws people to that number when you add that in and then close some loopholes and subsidies and do...
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if what speaker boehner was saying he was truly willing to get office ready we begin to work with one another. if what he is simply saying is what republicans used to say which is we are going to lower rate on the wealthy and that will somehow generate -- >> he was talking about closing loopholes and deductions. >> the jury is out still on the -- let me be clear. the tone was good. i think the jury is out on what he said. others may have to clarify. but he said something in a very hurtf artful way in which many people heard differently. >> are you willing to accept more revenue if it doesn't mean the bush tax cut has to be rescinded for the wealthy and rises from 35 to 39 percent. if they make the matt work. >> the issue is the math. the starting point should be going back to clinton era rates. then proceeding with tax reform as the speaker may have been talking about if he was generally talking about eliminating revenues to eliminating loopholes. >> let's right now extend the bush tax cut rates for the 98 percent of the people making less than 250,000 dollars. he says i will sign it
if what speaker boehner was saying he was truly willing to get office ready we begin to work with one another. if what he is simply saying is what republicans used to say which is we are going to lower rate on the wealthy and that will somehow generate -- >> he was talking about closing loopholes and deductions. >> the jury is out still on the -- let me be clear. the tone was good. i think the jury is out on what he said. others may have to clarify. but he said something in a very...
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boehner seemed to be saying i am going to close loopholes and use the revenue. not just growth, but use the re-knew from closing the loopholes to cut the deficit. are you accepting that or not? >> i think that is the formul formula. that is the way we reach agreement. you can close the loophole -- >> chris: it's not the growth. taking the money, tax expenditures through the loopholes and giving, using it as a deficit savings. >> as long as you close the loopholes and limit the deduction, limit credits. formula for a solution. >> real solution. >> chris: senator corker, you have a draft plan you have been circulating to a number of members in the senate. is there a deal here? >> i think there is a deal. the ying and yang of this is we know there has to be revenues. look, i haven't met a wealthy republican or democrat in tennessee that is not willing to contribute more. as long as they know we the problem. the ying of revenue, we understand. i think there is a very good pro-growth way of putting that place, so you are getting revenues from people like me and other
boehner seemed to be saying i am going to close loopholes and use the revenue. not just growth, but use the re-knew from closing the loopholes to cut the deficit. are you accepting that or not? >> i think that is the formul formula. that is the way we reach agreement. you can close the loophole -- >> chris: it's not the growth. taking the money, tax expenditures through the loopholes and giving, using it as a deficit savings. >> as long as you close the loopholes and limit the...
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speaker boehner was asked this week whether the republican drive to kill obamacare, is dead. here's what he said: >> it is pretty clear the president was reelected. obamacare is the law of the land. >> chris: question: do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner, repeal of obamacare with this election, with his re-election, is dead? >> no. as a physician i can tell you that the reason -- we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election, we're opposed because it is bad policy and bad for the patients across this land. we actually must get a handle on this spending in this country and in order to do that, it has to be through medicare and medicaid reform an social security reform, all three programs under current law are destined for fewer. we need fundamental reforms to save and strengthen and secure the programs for this generation and, future generations, that is what really -- >> the election, yes, you still have the majority in the house but you lost the election on the presidential level, and you will not kill obamacare for the
speaker boehner was asked this week whether the republican drive to kill obamacare, is dead. here's what he said: >> it is pretty clear the president was reelected. obamacare is the law of the land. >> chris: question: do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner, repeal of obamacare with this election, with his re-election, is dead? >> no. as a physician i can tell you that the reason -- we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the...
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why did obama double the revenue target from 800 billion that he wanted in negotiation weise boehner, in 2011, why did he had less access. i think the question is billion than he was looking for before. this gives him a better starting point. i do think that both sides are going to try to work something out before the end of the year because they are all worried about the impact on the economy, not just in jab, but right now while you're watching the stock market and others negatively react to the fact that they are fearing this fiscal cliff. >> he must have known that this 1.6 trillion is a far more realistic number in the objectives. why didn't he mention >>> president obama will nominate susan rice as secretary of state. >> nope, he will back down. >> he won't back down. >> he will back down and not nominate her. >> he will 30 cure the state's budget problems? and will the growing economy take the state out of danger? a new approach to ridd
why did obama double the revenue target from 800 billion that he wanted in negotiation weise boehner, in 2011, why did he had less access. i think the question is billion than he was looking for before. this gives him a better starting point. i do think that both sides are going to try to work something out before the end of the year because they are all worried about the impact on the economy, not just in jab, but right now while you're watching the stock market and others negatively react to...
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so john boehner is in a very difficult spot. we've seen some movement that republicans are willing to put some tax revenue on it, but as boehner said over the weekend, he's not going to raise tax rates. and obama is insisting on that. so i don't think you're going to get, see any type of deal this week when congress comes back. there'll be more leverage games, and we're going to probably go deep into december raising the question, are we going to get a deal? jenna: what do you think? >> i think eventually they are going to get a deal, but i think it'll probably be a two-step process where they get some type of down payment on tax reform and then do something larger in the new year with the new congress being sworn in. so, but how do you do that, how do you have one-step process? i think you've got to have the parameters of what you're going to do next year now. boehner does not want a huge deal in the lame duck. he says that the new congress should be in session when you're going to do this, the newly-elected people. so it's goi
so john boehner is in a very difficult spot. we've seen some movement that republicans are willing to put some tax revenue on it, but as boehner said over the weekend, he's not going to raise tax rates. and obama is insisting on that. so i don't think you're going to get, see any type of deal this week when congress comes back. there'll be more leverage games, and we're going to probably go deep into december raising the question, are we going to get a deal? jenna: what do you think? >> i...
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but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't know why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. make it $500,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of w
but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is...
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john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are born here, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done. whatever little penalties you want to put in there. then it's done. >> pathway to citizenship, done. where was all this talk before the election? you see this is all about getting votes. it's not coming from the heart. reforming immigration policy is a huge risk for the republicans. they could alienate their base. there's no guarantee they will win the latino vote in the long run. let's turn to ruy teixeira. great to have you with us. >> delighted to be here. >> you predicted thi
john boehner wants to find common ground. and even sean hannity is trying to shift to the middle. >> we have to get rid of the immigration issue all together. it's simple. you control the border first. you create a pathway for those that are here. you don't say you have to go home. and that's a position i have evolved on. because you know what, it's got to be resolved. the majority of people here, some have criminal records, you can send them home. but if they are law-abiding, kids are...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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but speaker john boehner told house republicans that after last week's election the mandate from the american people is to work together even if it means additional revenues through tax reform. meanwhile bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard," seemed to cave in on the president's demand that wealthy people pay more. >> you know what? it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. really? t >> reporter: the president begins making his case this week. what's different this time is that administration officials are already suggesting to congress that mr. obama is willing to let the deadline pass, let tax rates go up, and spending be cut if he can't get the deal he wants. norah, charlie? >> wow. bill plante in washington, thank you. >>> later this morning we'll ask conservative activist grover norquist if republicans are backing away from his no tax increase pledge. >>> two weeks ago today superstorm sandy battered the northeast. more than 100,000 homes and businesses still have no power. most of them are on new york's lon
but speaker john boehner told house republicans that after last week's election the mandate from the american people is to work together even if it means additional revenues through tax reform. meanwhile bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard," seemed to cave in on the president's demand that wealthy people pay more. >> you know what? it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. really? t >> reporter: the...
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so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- t me ask you again, do you take seriously the notion that john kerry could be defense secretary? >> i think that was a trial balloon. >> you do? >> i 19, clearly both of those stories were trial balloons. president obama, obviously, took it a little further, quite a bit further today talking about susan rice. it was no longer a trial balloon. but i think john kerry-- you know, is that a consolation prize? i think he's probably always wanted to be secretary of state. i'm not sure how that would go over at the pentagon. i mean, when you talk abo someon goi into-- as secretary of state, who maybe doesn't have the experience that some people want. i think on the
so they look ahead, they see 2010 and think if taxes do go up for the middle class, it will be john boehner, and the republicans to take the blame. >> well, that may be but who is it going to play that kind of bluffing game with the debt ceiling because that's when you really risk tremendous market reactions and peril. i know you talked about david petraeus, and the whole foreign policy issue last night on charlie, martha, but do you-- t me ask you again, do you take seriously the notion...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "ust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10. -- republicans want zero. >> business community does not want us to go over the cliff. >> what the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal in the works behi
. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "ust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get...
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our hand at the table. but the public still has to continue to be engaged. public sentiment is everything. and in the past, for example, the republicans in the house were the odd people out on the -- on some of the tax bill. one of the tax -- you know, deduction. and then also on the transportation bill. and so when the president went public on those, then they finally came around. but they're not going to come around just by persuasion sitting across the table, i do not believe. >> they are not going to come around just by persuasion in washington. nancy pelosi essentially calling for
i just think about the prospect of john boehner and nancy pelosi working together. i think about you sitting down with vice president biden and president obama and john boehner and talking about what's possible. what do you expect about the republican world view and goals to change because of this election? >> well, the president was very clear in the campaign. on where he stood. there was no ambiguity about where he was on many of the issues. and so his election, i think, strengthens our...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous consumers before the christmas holidays and, investors because the stock market is done a thousand points. >> everyone is nervous about this. this is the last chance and the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood but the way they'll solve this, is kind of hostage exchange, in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up and the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue and, it is possible to do this and the president is going along, it seems, with it some idea of entitlement reform, that
. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner sounding up beat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and we're back now with the panel. so, after the president and congressional leaders met at the white house, on friday, the rhetoric was reassuring, the question is, is it real? do you get any sense, bob and this is the subject of your new book, that they really do see, are beginning to see a path to a compromise or are they trying to reassure nervous...
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. >> is speaker boehner ready to make a deal? >> the president convened a pow wow with leaders. >> the congressional leaders meeting at the white house today. >> begin negotiations about how to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> this is the beginning of a fruitful process. >> the issue is taxes. >> only one bad word -- taxes. >> raising taxes is a very bad idea. >> raising taxes is a terrible idea. >> to show our seriousness, we put revenue on the table. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table. >> a deadline. >> being able to work something out. >> there was a spirit of cooperation. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we didn't know how many candles were needed. ♪ best friend ♪ >> interrupting that was the ghost of christmas past. >> you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> mitt, 47%, romney. he is the gift that keeps on giving. >> republicans did not take kindly to mr. romney's words. >> i don't agree with the comments. >> we lost the presidency. it's time to move on. >> general petraeus
. >> is speaker boehner ready to make a deal? >> the president convened a pow wow with leaders. >> the congressional leaders meeting at the white house today. >> begin negotiations about how to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> this is the beginning of a fruitful process. >> the issue is taxes. >> only one bad word -- taxes. >> raising taxes is a very bad idea. >> raising taxes is a terrible idea. >> to show...
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is sticking by the campaign trail thopets have tax cuts making less than $250,000 and you have john boehner saying somewhat saying we don't want to have any tax increases at all. so the pressure is on republicans to budge somewhat and you're going to see the question over the next couple of weeks is how do you see what form does that take. >> what other lessons or headlines do you think we got out of this year's election? >> the next washington you see is going to look a lot like the last washington you saw. you're going to have a democratic white house a democratic senate and republican house. so the question is how much more gridlock are we likely to see? you're probably going to see more gridlock in washington but voters may say we're sick and tired >> and i guess it's kind of appropriate that the new bond film came out this past weekend because the nation's top spy went down as a result of an affair. david petraeus. does it seem as if we have just gotten to the surface of this scandal here? >> there's so many unanswered questions as relates to david petraeus? why did congressional offic
is sticking by the campaign trail thopets have tax cuts making less than $250,000 and you have john boehner saying somewhat saying we don't want to have any tax increases at all. so the pressure is on republicans to budge somewhat and you're going to see the question over the next couple of weeks is how do you see what form does that take. >> what other lessons or headlines do you think we got out of this year's election? >> the next washington you see is going to look a lot like...
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speaker boehner is talking about closing loopholes. other republicans are saying maybe like they're prepared to look at revenue. what are... are there concrete examples there that have the makings of some kind of deal down the road? >> very little is ccrete at this point. but the movement from saying we don't want government to grow at all. the answer to this fiscal crisis is not to grow government to the position that you're hearing from leadership now which is, yes, we can have revenue. that's part of a broader deal that we're going to make. that's a substantial shift. that's not the same thing as the fight over tax rates, income tax rates. the president has said i will sign no deal that doesn't bring the income tax rates for the top earners back up to 96.5%. that's a slightly... there's a new nuance there that gives politicians wigg room over at the definition of revenue is, but there has been movement on that. there's been even more movement. you heard a prominent republican on the sunday shows, bill kristol a prominent conservativ
speaker boehner is talking about closing loopholes. other republicans are saying maybe like they're prepared to look at revenue. what are... are there concrete examples there that have the makings of some kind of deal down the road? >> very little is ccrete at this point. but the movement from saying we don't want government to grow at all. the answer to this fiscal crisis is not to grow government to the position that you're hearing from leadership now which is, yes, we can have revenue....